tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post1274946979789208949..comments2023-12-20T21:19:20.824-06:00Comments on Black & White and Bronze!: Vampirella of Draculon - a ReviewDoughttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-4297230022255822832019-01-09T09:38:52.730-06:002019-01-09T09:38:52.730-06:00Thanks, Sean. I did not know the Robbins genesis o...Thanks, Sean. I did not know the Robbins genesis of the outfit until this post ran. I'd actually had a Twitter acquaintance remark about that same thing a couple of days ago.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-62878038822562177082019-01-09T09:33:23.879-06:002019-01-09T09:33:23.879-06:00Totally agree on the cheesecake vibe - Vampirella ...Totally agree on the cheesecake vibe - Vampirella was definitely the comic for teenage boys(; - but the funny thing is, that costume design came from Trina Robbins of all people.<br /><br />-seanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-23001587415458836372019-01-09T09:25:51.740-06:002019-01-09T09:25:51.740-06:00And post-Warren Goodwin was so well regarded he ma...And post-Warren Goodwin was so well regarded he managed to get Dave Sim to do stuff for Epic, and even Alan Moore speaks highly of him.<br /><br />-seanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-79936264876464016472019-01-08T11:37:30.636-06:002019-01-08T11:37:30.636-06:00Me again. Re: Archie Goodwin - he really was one o...Me again. Re: Archie Goodwin - he really was one of comics' greatest writers, almost incapable of telling a bad story, and you could certainly do worse than look into his Warren work, Doug. Natch, there's loads of Archie on my blog if you want to read some.<br />Interesting also, that he's still seen as one of our greatest editors, and was so well regarded, that when he left Warren, most of the artists went with him, claiming he was the only reason they'd put up with the low page rates. Not a bad rep to have.pete doreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004574271734256770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-17868442608274923402019-01-08T04:51:43.490-06:002019-01-08T04:51:43.490-06:00Great Vampi introduction Doug!
My Vampirella coll...Great Vampi introduction Doug!<br /><br />My Vampirella collection includes some of the later ongoing issues with the great Hispanic artists like Gonzalez and Gonzalo Mayo. It's great seeing Sutton's version of Vampirella compared to these later issues because I've never seen the first issue.<br /><br />Vampirella to me was conceived to appeal to adolescent boys, which most comicbook creators at the time believed was their core audience. I think it's different nowadays with the success of superhero movies and TV series though.<br /><br /><br />- Mike 'adolescent at heart' from Trinidad & Tobago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-42021204560902158732019-01-08T04:16:30.503-06:002019-01-08T04:16:30.503-06:00Except for some short bits I've seen posted on...Except for some short bits I've seen posted online, I've actually never read any Vampirella stories, either. Like Doug and few others here probably, it would not have passed muster when I was a little kid, and by the time I would have been interested in it in my teens, there were no more Warren magazines.<br />What I know about the character comes from general osmosis, and in that regard I think Pete is right about the slightly later Goodwin/Gonzalez material being the reason the character got popular in the first place.<br /><br />As for Ackerman, I'm not at all surprised to learn that even as a middle-aged man his writing seemed juvenile. I know that in some circles Ackerman is considered some kind of ur-geek and/or founding father of SF and horror fandom, but as I understand it, he was also *seriously* creepy - I stumbled onto some fan forum discussions a few years ago where, among other things, several people who knew him or came into contact with him at conventions claimed that he was, among other things, a serial sexual harrasser and may even have been involved in some legally dubious activities involving minors in his home.Edo Bosnarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-21553750857041272422019-01-07T20:23:07.552-06:002019-01-07T20:23:07.552-06:00I appreciate the encouraging comments. I'll de...I appreciate the encouraging comments. I'll definitely dig further into the massive trade I purchased. This also makes me want to seek out Archie Goodwin's work (in general) due to the praise sent his way today.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-2028005869594573542019-01-07T20:20:54.772-06:002019-01-07T20:20:54.772-06:00Oh, sir - I am quite aware of the lovely (and prov...Oh, sir - I am quite aware of the lovely (and provocative) Miss Betty Page. No worries there. But I appreciate your thoughts on my purity ;) .<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-4277170072605295312019-01-07T19:33:35.267-06:002019-01-07T19:33:35.267-06:00Please do not judge Vampirella by her first few ap...Please do not judge Vampirella by her first few appearances. It's obvious she was really only meant to be a horror host like there was in Creepy and Eerie. Luckily her look was so mesmerizing that people demanded she appeared in actual stories and that's when things got much better. The first few are rough but once Goodwin gets his hands on her it becomes a great series of short stories that range from gothic horror to sci-fi. All that and amazing art by Pepe Gonzalez and many others great Spanish artists.Captain bloodofkirbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17798530520484038964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-46404711345054521762019-01-07T19:05:57.323-06:002019-01-07T19:05:57.323-06:00Hiya,
Yeah, I bought that particular issue. It w...Hiya,<br /><br />Yeah, I bought that particular issue. It was a lot easier to purchase than Playboy for a youth of my tender years.<br /><br />And no, my mother never saw it.<br /><br />Sutton did a pretty good job catching the cheesecake vibe, willing to bet money that there were more than a few photos of Bettie Page to be found in his studio.<br /><br />Note to Doug, I'll explain to you later who Miss Page was since I'm sure the pure soul of an educator would have no idea whom I'm talking about ((sarcasm meter has just pegged)) !<br /><br />Heard a rumor that Frazetta rendered Vampirella in the nude for that cover since the final design of her costume had yet to be decided. I can't say that that particular story is true, but it would explain the difference between the cover and the story.<br /><br />As for the rest of the issue, it was nothing spectacular as the stories that made it up could have easily been presented in either Creepy or Eerie.<br /><br />Seeya<br /><br />pfgaviganpfgaviganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05446007678336988354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-13262399506247144052019-01-07T13:43:50.224-06:002019-01-07T13:43:50.224-06:00Thanks for the comments, gents. And Pete - your as...Thanks for the comments, gents. And Pete - your assessment of the latter issues in the compendium I purchased line up with what I perceived as I leafed through the book. So as I said, I'll look forward to delving deeper into the Vampirella collection. The next time I review some of that material, I'll definitely look to a story a few years after today's initial offering.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-35075272760853675852019-01-07T12:11:51.607-06:002019-01-07T12:11:51.607-06:00Hi fellas, it's definitely true to say this wa...Hi fellas, it's definitely true to say this was an inauspicious start, but don't give up just yet! <br />For the first six issues, they really do flail about, not having a clue what to do with Vampi ( sometimes she's an EC style host, sometimes she's as presented here ). So many people had a hand in her creation, I guess that was inevitable.<br />But then in issue #8, Archie Goodwin comes on board, with the first real Vampi story, then in issue #12 Jose Gonzalez comes in on art , and THEN it's the Vampirella people rave about.<br />It is still cheesecake, but it's involving cheesecake, and the strip Gonzalez was absolutely born to draw.<br />Honestly, don't be put off by the shaky start, Vampi rules! And if you want a taster, a while back, I posted on my blog Jose's redo of the origin. Trust me, it really does get better.pete doreehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17004574271734256770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-24329322981683003402019-01-07T12:11:23.463-06:002019-01-07T12:11:23.463-06:00Yeah, I've never read any Vampi stuff either; ...Yeah, I've never read any Vampi stuff either; I suspect it's the equivalent of those movies you watch with the sound turned off ... you could just look at the art and ignore the dialogue. But I guess making her an alien vampire is a bit of a twist on the usual monster story.Mike Wilsonhttp://www.eruditegorilla.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8210408773928235445.post-83096931805875516652019-01-07T09:27:04.196-06:002019-01-07T09:27:04.196-06:00Doug, I fully agree with your take on this book. L...Doug, I fully agree with your take on this book. Like you, I've never read an issue of Vampirella. And aside from the attractive Sutton artwork, I don't seem to have missed much. As you mentioned, the dialogue is, shall we say, a bit stilted. Rather sophomoric ("Od's Bloodkins"?). And, the juvenile script seems appropriate given the adolescent sensibility evident throughout. <br /><br />That said, I'd also agree with you that a look at a later issue would be 'Warren'ted (sorry, coudn't resist)...Redartzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08221459636234713619noreply@blogger.com